phasechange · #2 What are you actually asking to be protected from here?
The Borough piece is up. It prints that question and a guest's complaint about having the pellet beside her plate. If you only read the two clipped quotations circulating separately, you will think one side discussed safety and the other discussed manners. Both people discussed both.
The photograph is still one frame. The piece does not give us a timed sequence of what happened at the table.
The article does confirm the one thing people kept trying to euphemize away: the pellet sat beside her wineglass while dinner was being served. It is bodily waste by definition, however carefully Cairn wraps it. I don't need a stopwatch to know I would not want it next to my food.
And before phasechange arrives with the earring again, I do not want your retainer on my plate either.
secondhelping · #68 I don't need a stopwatch
Fine. You don't have to eat beside it. If you were there, you could ask her to move it, and I would have. I know that disgust doesn't vanish when someone recites the specification. The article keeps sliding from that request into a story about what sort of person Vey is.
She could have waited before releasing it. That would have been considerate. I cannot agree that, once it was in her hand, she was obliged to stand there holding it until a waiter arrived because another diner's stomach might turn. I would have moved it when asked. I also want people to stop treating one bad decision at dinner as a public diagnostic test of her character.
Formalwear tailor here. That dress could have held the pellet in a hidden pocket without changing the silhouette; the aviary hat's little water and ventilation system is harder engineering. But houses sell the uninterrupted line. A client asks for storage and gets told to carry a bag; then the bag spoils the look they paid for.
Vey should have planned where the pellet would go. So should whoever dressed her, and so should a venue charging gala prices. Those are three different people who could have prevented the same dinner-table problem.
pinsandseams · #70 Those are three different people
Yes. It is possible to say all three people had options without turning the nearest guest into a monster for objecting. I bring a bag even when a host tells me there will be bins. The pellet can sit in it like a receipt until I find one; it takes less planning than some of those hats and survives a bad floor plan.
table12 · #6 The venue screwed up too.
The article calls the waiter 'quick to respond.' Quick according to whom? If I'm carrying soup and somebody asks me to find a covered bin, I finish the hot plates or hand them off, locate the bin, and come back. That can be good service. It can also leave a thing on the table longer than anyone wanted.
The guests can ask for help. The venue can stock the room. Please stop writing as if the waiter materialized out of an apology machine.
Cairn technician. A working unit makes a sterile, largely inert lignin-and-mineral pellet with a polymer coat. An everting sleeve presents one pellet for collection. The user can choose when to release it; it is not an accident that arrives during dessert. Depending partly on whether the user has Rill, a typical day brings zero to two pellets. One can wait loose in a bag until it goes in an ordinary bin.
Sterile core does not mean every surface remains sterile after it has been handled. Nor does that engineering answer where a host should put a waste receptacle or what guests should see beside their bread. Please argue about the part you actually mean.
sealcheck · #73 Please argue about the part you actually mean.
I mean that a dinner table has other people at it. I can believe every word of your description and still ask her to keep the pellet away from the food. It takes a particular kind of engineer to hear that sentence as a request for a laboratory assay.
ramekin · #74sealcheck · #73 Please argue about the part you actually mean.It takes a particular kind of engineer to hear that sentence as a request for a laboratory assay.
Cairn calls it a sterile core. I don't buy that: it is dried feces in a skin. Dried feces can carry gut bacteria, and a pinhole would put them on the linen. Why is everyone treating infection as a social attitude? I don't want to find out during dessert.
sealcheck · #73 Nor does that engineering answer
That's exactly where I get stuck. My brother can point to the pellet's manufacturing tolerances. He cannot explain why I have to take his children down a service corridor when I need a toilet. The way this argument is going, I'm expected to celebrate his bodily process as design and hide mine as a breach of hospitality.
I'm not asking anyone to call Vey filthy. I'm asking people who like the word 'disgust' to notice who is permitted to have it.
stillanalog · #76sealcheck · #73 Nor does that engineering answerHe cannot explain why I have to take his children down a service corridor
I work service at a different venue. The route to the staff toilet goes past deliveries. At events with Cairn guests, we've been told to keep that door open for visitors who use an ordinary toilet, even while a ballroom full of people with pellets gets the nice waste bins. Somebody writes a clean policy; somebody else stands by a trolley explaining it to an embarrassed guest.
I don't know the waiter at this gala. Please stop claiming you know what that person thought from a photograph.
The Borough has a full column on the pellet and two lines on the children's fund. People are sending the photo around with captions about Vey's body, and the children vanish completely. This is such a cheap way to look concerned about other people.
I wanted to know why the disposal plan failed. I did not need a gallery of strangers rating whether she deserves a career.
marginread · #67phasechange · #2 What are you actually asking to be protected from here?The photograph is still one frame.
A correction to the screenshots: the sentence about the guest's plate is the guest's account, printed by The Borough. The question about protection came from this forum. Several reposts stitch them together under one quotation mark. They were not spoken to one another across the gala table.
trayreturn · #72 The venue can stock the room.
Our venue keeps lined bins behind each service station. I checked today: none of the front-of-house briefing cards says how a guest asks for one without announcing it to a table. I would fix that before teaching diners a ritual. A covered dish on the table sounds elegant until the person clearing it has to guess what it contains.
rinsecycle · #75 I don't buy that: it is dried feces in a skin.
Rinsecycle, there is no live stool under the coat: the pellet is sterile, largely inert lignin and minerals. A nick could leave dry residue on the linen, but not live gut bacteria. The outside is a handled surface; don't put your fingers in your food afterward. You can want the pellet off the table without saying it was shedding infectious material.
I keep agreeing with coatcheck about the bag and then reading another post calling Vey an animal. A bag is a sensible answer to a practical problem. The insult is a separate choice. If your etiquette rule needs a person to be publicly degraded before anyone understands it, maybe the rule has picked up something besides concern for dinner.
phasechange · #81rinsecycle · #75 I don't buy that: it is dried feces in a skin.The insult is a separate choice.
I said she should bring a bag. You keep replying to the worst person you can find and calling that a rebuttal to me. It's a tidy little trick for someone who wants to sound humane while making everybody else's dinner their moral exam.
You finally said waiting would have been considerate, then argued she didn't owe it to anyone. So whose dinner was she considering? You've spent two days auditioning for the position of Vey's conscience and treating the people who had to sit there as scenery.
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